The International Rafale forum

Have a look at the second message of this thread.

The Rafale itself is limited to 9G by Dassault, but AdlA chose to limit its Rafale fleet to 8G, at least during peace time. The interesting question could be: "Did the Marine Nationale do the same thing for communality, as they only have single seater, or do their Rafale M have a 9G limit (as some -nonexistent- videos seems to show )?"

So if another customer want a 9g limit, they will probably be no problem with that.

I dont think these are limiters "limits" but rather sonor and visual clues.

It takes quiet a lot of work to rework the FCS sotware AND hardware to do this and i any case it wan't AdA choice apparently...

I just don't know what is the nature of the "limit" actually.

Concerning the AoA limit, Air & Cosmos just confirmed that it is near 30° as we suspected.

The interesting thing is that they explain WHY. As far as I understand them, it is said that this AoA limitation is made to enhance the overall performances of the airframe, allowing the aircraft to keep its energy while in close range battles for example.
It seems that the very good fly-by-wire of the aircraft allowed it to still have a good nose authority despite the AoA limit.

Sure it can't do a cobra like figure in order to shot a missile in its six using a HMD (that does not equip the aircraft by the way), but who does this after all?
For real life combat, it sure sounds like a good idea: limiting the AoA (but keeping the maneuverability using the good FBW) in order to keep the energy.

It's good to have finally an explanation about this limitation that finally doesn't sound like a limitation after all.

Polux Delta7.

Stop writing W.H.A.T.E.V.E.R and pretend you "explain" things to me, in another forum, you know nothing...


Aerobatics
Thanks to her FBW the Rafale is extremely manoeuvrable. Depending on the configuration there are 2 flight domains : air-to-ground with heavy loads (5.5G max and 160°/s roll) or air combat (9G max and 280°/s roll rate) In emergency case the max load factor can reach 11G.
During test flights for opening the flight envelope at very low speed the aircraft flew at an incidence of more than 100° and at negative speeds of '40 knots without loss of control.<
'We consider that firing after a brutal nose-up like a Cobra are risked during combat because weapon separation problems can arise and pilot can be in a very dangerous situation if he fails to destroy his opponent(s). We prefer to use a very agile weapon, like the MICA and a helmet mounted sight' says Jean Camus, test pilot and ex-manager of the EPNER 5french test pilot school) and former M2000 test pilot.

C'est THUNDER qu'a ecrit et publie ce rapport en 199 peut etre?



Domaine de vol:

Traditionnellement, I’ouverture des domaines de vol est effectue avec celerite sur les avions Dassault.

Le RAFALE n’a pas failli puisque, desson ler vol, le RAFALE CO1 evoluait dans ledomaine 450 kt/M = 1.2/4 g.

8 g etaient obtenus au 5eme vol et M = 1.6 au 27eme vol.

Le domaine de vol a donc ete ouvert jusqu’& 750 ktI/M = M 1.8/9 g et 30* d’incidence surles 3 versions du RAFALE sans rencontrer de probleme notable sur la structure, les commandes de vol ni sur I’ensemble des systemes.

Du cote des basses vitesses, la limite est 100 kt mais 80 kt est parfois pratique lors des demonstrations en vol par des pilotes desireux de mettre en valeur les qualites de l’avion.

Un minimum de 15 kt a ete pratique dans un exercice de combat contre on Mirage 2000 par un pilote vindicatif ; c'etait donc un essai avec un peu d’avance sur une campagne de vols a grande incidence que, vus les risques inherents a ce type d’evolutions, now n’avons prevue que lorsque nous considererons qu’un prototype est “surabondant”.




--- Alors vous pensez que vcous savez tout sur le Rafale?

Ca percute quand on dit "30* d’incidence sur les 3 versions du RAFALE" AVANT la campagne de vols a grande incidence?

Il est evident d'apres ce document venant tout droit de l'equipe integre des essais en vol RAFALE que les 30* en questions etaient une limite Operationelle et depassee ellegrement par les pilotes d'essai.

Retournez a vos etudes et la prochaine fois evitez de parler de ceux qui ne peuvent pas vous repondre parcequ'achaque fois que vous racontez vos histoire habituelles, votre seule reponse c'est de faire virer les geneurs.

Essayez donc de demolir mes arguments de facon technique pour qu'on se marre...

Good bye Wingman! As a nice trip wherever some creepy fanboys want you.

Look who's calling others FANBOYS...

Please make sure you do your homework and post ACCURATE informations before thinking of yourself as a "specialist".

At least i have no such pretention.

Oh yes you do, worldwide. While I don't.

About the current topic, I don't post any accurate or inaccurate informations, I only made an extract of Air & Cosmos article. My personnal opinion is only the last sentence.
So if you have any problem with what I posted, go ask to A&C redaction.