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 Post subject: Indian Competiton news.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 12:12 pm 
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DATE:03/06/09
SOURCE:Flight International
India completes fighter evaluation, readies for flight testing
By Siva Govindasamy



India's air force has submitted its technical evaluation report on the contenders for its medium multirole combat aircraft competition to the nation's defence ministry, which will shortly give its go-ahead for the next stage of the much-anticipated tender.

The development comes as India's Congress-led coalition government, which returned to power in last month's general elections, pushes on with several procurements that were put on hold during the hustings. Defence minister A K Antony kept his post in the new cabinet, and sources say he is keen to accelerate an armed forces modernisation programme estimated to be worth around $30 billion until 2012.

Flight trials for the six contenders could begin as early as July, and the aircraft will be tested in both summer and winter conditions, say defence ministry officials. The Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon, Lockheed Martin F-16, RSK MiG-35 and Saab Gripen NG are in the fray for the 126-aircraft contract, worth $10-12 billion. A selection has been projected for 2010 and deliveries scheduled from 2013, although this is widely expected to slip.

Given India's experience with corruption, Antony warned after his reappointment that companies trying to bribe their way to defence contracts will be "ruthlessly" excluded from all forthcoming competitions. "At times, we found certain manipulations and malpractices. We cannot ignore that so we ruthlessly cancelled big ticket items. We will ruthlessly cancel contracts in the future also as in the past," he says. "While we are determined to speed up procurement, we cannot compromise on transparency."

India also recently issued two separate requests for proposals for military helicopters, initiating its first defence competitions since the elections.

A $600 million tender for attack helicopters is likely to pit the AgustaWestland AW129, Bell Helicopter AH-1Z Super Cobra, Boeing AH-64D Apache Longbow, Eurocopter Tiger, and Mil Mi-28. The air force hopes to sign a contract for 22 helicopters within two years and complete deliveries within a further three to replace its ageing Mi-35.

New Delhi cancelled an earlier competition for attack helicopters in March after Bell and Boeing withdrew following India's insistence on a direct deal with manufacturers, rather than via the US government's Foreign Military Sales mechanism. Air force officials want to assess both aircraft, and the new tender has been modified to this time allow an FMS purchase.

The Boeing CH-47F Chinook, Mi-26 and Sikorsky CH-53 are meanwhile likely contenders for a separate, $700 million requirement to buy 15 heavylift helicopters for India's air force and army.

Other major military tenders that could go ahead shortly include searches for air-to-air refuelling tankers and light utility helicopters. New Delhi also plans to upgrade many of its existing military aircraft, while state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics has several indigenous programmes in the pipeline.
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 Post subject: Re: Indian Competiton news.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:49 pm 
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Here an article from Shiv Aroor an indian journalist with some contacts. He reviews all of the 6 MMRCA contenders.
Here is the latest piece about the Rafale.

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The Rafale is an intriguing aircraft. Everyone remembers the dramatic way in which Dassault announced in 2006 that it was withdrawing the Mirage-2000-V from the MMRCA competition and instead fielding the the Rafale. It was a surprise move, considering the fact that the IAF had initially simply wanted to buy a whole lot more Mirages as its MMRCA, and was deeply convinced about the capabilities of the Dash-5. Fate (and Dassault) had other plans, it seemed. And with the government, in its wisdom, ordering the IAF to "open up" its qualitative requirements to engender a real competition, Boeing leapt into the fray with the Super Hornet. Almost on cue, the Mirage was withdrawn and the Rafale pitched. There are those who believe this was a seriously bad move, though Dassault unofficially sent across the message that there was no way in hell that it was going to keep its production line warm for the notorious time it was going to take for the Indian government to make its mind up, and also that there was no assurance that the Mirage would be selected finally. And therefore, the Rafale.

STRENGHTS

The Rafale smacks of the intangible "newness" of being a truly contemporary airplane built for today's missions. Conversely, it suffers none of the reputational hazards of being an old souped up platform with tinkering under the bonnet. Pitched as an "omnirole" fighter, the IAF has incrementally been convinced of what this term really means. Pitched as a logical next-step to the Mirage -- which the IAF loves with a passion -- the people at Dassault have managed to pitch well the idea that operating the Rafale will be a progression of the same ownership/operation experience. The pitch that IAF pilots will take to the Rafale more easily than any of the other fighters is something that has managed to be persuasive to an extent. While the Thales RBE2 AESA radar is still its final developmental phase, the IAF has been provided with regular and detailed updates on the radar's capabilities and performance parameters, and one officer, who has been part of the teams that receive these updates on a regular basis, says the IAF had no reason to doubt the laid down capabilities, and was in fact deeply impressed with what the French had managed to achieve in what is a science simply dominated by two American firms. Not just that, Dassault says the Rafale is the only aircraft in its class to be equipped with active arrays for both its radar and electronic warfare suite (EWS). IAF officers have in fact regularly been invited to witness RBE2 prototypes being tested on the Hack -- a Mirage-2000 test bed for the radar since 2003. In April 2008, the Rafale opened its operational account by being deployed to Afghanistan and being flown on 220 active combat missions, involving 730 flight hours. This may be peanuts compared to the operational logs of the Rafale's competition in the MMRCA, but the IAF recognises that this is a new aircraft in a transitory phase of tranche-level modernisation. At Red Flag 2008, IAF pilots got up close with the Rafale. A report on the Rafale was in fact informally submitted to Vayu Bhawan by the team when it returned. TheIAF has been given detailed presentations on the Rafale's multi-sensor data fusion system -- the RBE2 radar, Link 16 data bus, Front Sector Optronic (FSO) and SPECTRA self-defense suite and has been impressed by the ensemble. The Rafale is also considered by the IAF to be possibly the only plane in the sweepstakes with a focused use of composites for stealth and reduced RCS. The Rafale will also come with new, high-capability variants of MBDA missiles that the IAF has operated for decades, and places a lot of value on. Former Navy chief Admiral Arun Prakash, as FOC-in-C Western Naval Command, flew the Rafale during an official visit to Paris. A few other senior officers of the IAF have also had a chance to spin up in the otherwise reclusive Rafale. The sense that Dassault isn't displaying its wares like the other five contenders are, is something that has somehow been looked at as "proper" by some in the Defence Ministry. This is, after all, a serious defence proundefinedcurement, some say -- "there's no need for so much song and dance at Aero India every year". The Rafale is the only aircraft in the sweepstakes that comes with an explicitly stated nuclear delivery capability. None of the others mentioned it. And the reason I mention this is that some very senior officers in the air force, are wondering why. The Rafale is also among the least familiar of the six jets, at least in the Indian media, simply because Dassault has stayed well away from courting publicity -- this is also looked upon by the IAF/MoD as being representative of a deeper, more valuable quality during a procurement process: discretion. Finally, defence deals with France have always been expensive, but always been excellent professional and operational experiences for the Indian forces. From the Mirages to Alouettes to the Mysteres. No spares problems. No nonsense. The French could also leverage significant political power to push India as the prestigious launch customer of the Rafale, though not quite like the Jaguar's initial years were. A maximum 11 Gs in critical manoeuvers doesn't hurt either.

WEAKNESSES

The albatross around the Rafale remains its relatively unproven stature, and of course, the fact that it hasn't ever been exported. As one of the most expensive (flyaway cost) aircraft in the sweepstakes, it also comes with possibly the largest price-tag in terms of total contract cost, though Dassault haundefineds made strenuous efforts to convey to the IAF that its use of Dassault aircraft over time, particularly the Mirage, will significantly erode the total commitment necessary in terms of new infrastructure. Obviously, the IAF isn't buying this -- they're treating the Rafale as any new aircraft type. There are almost no articulated weaknesses in specifications, though the IAF is anxious about an aircraft that has been fielded for a lot of competitions unsuccessfully. Finally, the government has recently awarded France with the huge Scorpene deal. Awarding the MMRCA to France would be politically too much for too little. The leadership of Nicolas Sarkozy doesn't half do what Jacques Chirac's did in its time.


http://livefist.blogspot.com/2009/07/mm ... quall.html

If you follow the link at the end of the article you'll find the articles released so far about the F-16IN, Gripen IN and the MiG-35.


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 Post subject: Re: Indian Competiton news.
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The Rafale is also considered by the IAF to be possibly the only plane in the sweepstakes with a focused use of composites for stealth and reduced RCS


I don't really undertstrand this. If true good news for the rafale but aren't some other aircraft having RCS reduction as well ?


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 Post subject: Re: Indian Competiton news.
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Nearly all, in fact, of course. The quoted sentence is misleading, i think, and fails to demonstrate what was intended.

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 Post subject: Re: Indian Competiton news.
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http://www.business-standard.com/india/ ... al/364074/

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[size=11pt]France's Dassault targets Lockheed in combat aircraft deal[/size]
Ajai Shukla / New Delhi July 16, 2009, 0:30 IST

The gloves are off in the competition to sell India 126 Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) for an estimated Rs 50,000 crore. Two days after Business Standard reported on the sudden replacement of Lockheed Martin India’s CEO, Lockheed’s French rival, Dassault Aviation — whose Rafale fighter is pitched against Lockheed Martin’s F-16 IN in the MMRCA tender — is contemplating asking the Indian Ministry of Defence (MoD) to disqualify Lockheed Martin from the tender. The reason: sources in Dassault allege that Lockheed Martin has illegally obtained access to classified documents relating to the competition.

Approached for details of Dassault’s decision, the company’s Indian representative, Pusina Rao, told Business Standard over the telephone from Paris, “Dassault executives are in discussions and will soon reach a final decision on what action it will initiate against Lockheed Martin. In any case, the French government will have the final word, since there are political repercussions involved.”

Rao declined to comment on how long it would take for Paris to approach the Indian MoD for action against Lockheed Martin.

Sources close to the MMRCA contract point out that tension has been growing between Dassault and Lockheed Martin since the end of 2008, when the Indian media reported that Dassault had been eliminated from the MMRCA contract because it had not fulfilled some of the technical requirements spelt out in the Indian tender. Weeks after the report — and apparently after French President Nikolas Sarkozy spoke to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh over the phone — it was announced that Dassault was very much in contention.

But Dassault believed that Lockheed Martin was responsible for those reports. Now, Dassault is determined to get back at Lockheed Martin, citing charges of corruption in clear violation of the guidelines in India’s Defence Procurement Policy-2008 (DPP-2008).

On Tuesday, reporting on Lockheed’s India CEO, Ambassador Douglas A Hartwick’s sudden recall to the US without the appointment of a replacement, Business Standard had quoted Lockheed Martin’s Asia Chief, Rick Kirkland, as saying that while Lockheed Martin had never possessed classified Indian procurement documents, the company’s US headquarters had written to the MoD in New Delhi seeking clarification over two “unclassified files” that had found their way into Lockheed’s possession.

The MMRCA competition is growing increasingly heated, with all six competitors — Lockheed Martin; Boeing; Dassault; Grippen; MiG; and Eurofighter — scheduled to produce their aircraft for flight testing by the Indian Air Force, turn by turn, starting this month.


This is going to be crazy.

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 Post subject: Re: Indian Competiton news.
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[size=11pt]France's Dassault targets Lockheed in combat aircraft deal[/size]
The gloves are off in the competition .....


Seems to me the anglos removed the gloves since a while. Perhaps what's new is that the french, at last, removed the gloves too.


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 Post subject: Re: Indian Competiton news.
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The planned order for two Rafales brought forward as part of a defense stimulus plan by the French government will have only a small impact on production, Edelstenne said. "We're happy to have them but it's not much," he said.

The early order for two aircraft was intended to maintain flow on the assembly line as Dassault needs a minimum production rate of one Rafale per month.

The stimulus package also includes spending on feasibility studies, which are important for maintenance of competences, Edelstenne said. Talks are going on for these studies, he said.

Negotiations for the next order of a batch of Rafales are currently under way. "The DGA has set a target of making the order this year." Edelstenne said he was confident the order would be made as "the DGA is a very determined player."

Dassault will send two Rafales equipped with the new generation active electronically scanned array (AESA) radars for flight trials to India in September, the head of military aircraft, Eric Trappier said.

"India is a marathon, not a sprint," he said, referring to India's international tender for 126 medium range multi-role combat aircraft.

In a separate, long-awaited deal for the Indian Air Force, Thales is negotiating for a $1.4 billion modernization contract for 51 Mirage 2000-H aircraft. French industry, led by Thales, would handle the upgrade of the initial four Mirages, with the first two in France, and the latter two at Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd.'s facilities in India, a Thales spokeswoman said.

Dassault is taking part in three fighter competitions: Brazil, India and Switzerland, and is waiting for news on possible orders from Libya and United Arab Emirates. Privately, Dassault executives are keeping fingers crossed on Abu Dhabi announcing a buy of 60 Rafales at the Dubai Air Show in November.

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 Post subject: Re: Indian Competiton news.
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2 Rafales are now in India for the evaluation.
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BANGALORE: Rafale, the French built fighter aircraft and one of the six fighters competing for the Indian Air Force’s (IAF’s) multi-billion dollar multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) deal is in Bangalore. Two twin-engine delta-wing multi-role fighters designed and built by France’s Dassault Aviation and piloted by IAF and French pilots have been undertaking flights – which are part of the MMRCA flight trials — from Bangalore’s HAL Airport since Tuesday.
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Officials said the two French aircraft had flown non-stop to Bangalore from Dassault’s Flight Test Centre at Istres in France, thanks to the fighter’s in-flight refuelling capabilities.

One of the most modern fourth generation fighters, the Rafale is in use with the French Air Force, and the French Navy for their carrier-based operations. Officials said the Rafale met all the air staff qualitative requirements sought by the IAF and that Dassault was prepared to transfer all the technology that was required by the Indian side. They pointed out that the Rafale had a functioning Active Electronically Scanned Array radar.

Dassault’s bid had the strong backing of the Nicolas Sarkozy Government.

Piloted by IAF and French pilots, the two trainer aircraft will be based in Bangalore for the next fortnight, flying over, and in and out of Bangalore as they take part in the first phase of the flight trials. During the two weeks the aircraft will fly to Leh for the high altitude/cold weather trials and Jaisalmer for the hot weather trials.

Dassault’s technicians, pilots and maintenance crew will train and show IAF test pilots and flight test engineers the capabilities and uniqueness of the Rafale.

Besides the IAF test crews, the specially formed Indian Evaluation Team has representatives from the Ministry of Defence, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, the Defence and Research Development Organisation, Directorate-General of Aeronautical Quality Assurance and Air Headquarters. Two evaluations teams have been formed for the MMRCA flight trials.

The next phase of flight trials will involve weapon firing trials in the country of the aircraft’s manufacturer. Besides the Rafale the other aircraft in contention for the $ 10 billion to $12 billion deal are Boeing’s F/A-18, Lockheed Martin’s F-16IN Super Viper, the European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company’s Eurofighter Typhoon, Russia’s Mikoyan MiG-35 and Sweden’s Gripen JAS-39.


written by Ravi Sharma at hindu.com


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http://blog.francetv.fr/capitaine-romain/index.php/2010/03/20/174190-ce-jeudi-deux-officiers-indiens-ont-vole-sur-rafale--

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Thursday, two Indian officers have flown the Rafale

Saturday, 20th of March 2010.

On Thursday 18th of March, two indian officers could discover and test by themselves all the qualities of Rafale.

After a briefing in the morning, the Indian pilot -very experimented, but alone onboard a plane which was new to him- could take off, intercept and identify a fighter with the help of the optronics of Rafale, engage several air-to-air targets at beyond visual range, shoot an AASM salvo -the new GPS guided french bomb- on targets discovered and realigned during the mission, before landing... All in a single hour simulated flight...

The two officers could check the realism of the simulator Rafale, using in a real two seater flight what they had learned during less than a daytime.

They left the 1/7 fighter squadron bluffed by the ease of use of our last fighter, and with a smile on their face.


I hope my translation is better than the Google's.

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Not really news and yet ...
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